For so necessity grounded in nature constrains us, against which we say that no God contends, or ever will contend.
CLEINIAS: I think, Stranger, that what you have now said is very true and agreeable to nature.
ATHENIAN: Yes, Cleinias, that is so.

But it is difficult for the legislator to begin with these studies; at a more convenient time we will make regulations for them.
CLEINIAS: You seem, Stranger, to be afraid of our habitual ignorance of the subject: there is no reason why that should prevent you from speaking out.
ATHENIAN: I certainly am afraid of the difficulties to which you allude, but I am still more afraid of those who apply themselves to this sort of knowledge, and apply themselves badly.

For entire ignorance is not so terrible or extreme an evil, and is far from being the greatest of all; too much cleverness and too much learning, accompanied with an ill bringing up, are far more fatal.
CLEINIAS: True.
ATHENIAN: All freemen I conceive, should learn as much of these branches of knowledge as every child in Egypt is taught when he learns the alphabet.

In that country arithmetical games have been invented for the use of mere children, which they learn as a pleasure and amusement.

They have to distribute apples and garlands, using the same number sometimes for a larger and sometimes for a lesser number of persons; and they arrange pugilists and wrestlers as they pair together by lot or remain over, and show how their turns come in natural order.