In them he has shown me the truth for myself and for those who desire to believe and follow me; do not, then, come speaking to me of the Rule of St.Benedict, of St.Augustine, of St.
Bernard, or of any other, but solely of that which God in his mercy has seen fit to show to me, and of which he has told me that he would, by its means, make a new covenant with the world, and he does not will that we should have any other.

But by your learning and your wisdom God will bring you to confusion.

For I am persuaded that God will chastise you; whether you will or no you will be forced to come to repentance, and nothing will remain for you but confusion."[7] This warmth in defending and affirming his ideas profoundly astonished Ugolini, who added not a word.

As to Dominic, what he had just seen at Portiuncula was to him a revelation.

He felt, indeed, that his zeal for the Church could not be greater, but he also perceived that he could serve her with more success by certain changes in his weapons.
Ugolini no doubt only encouraged him in this view, and Dominic, beset with new anxieties, set out a few months later for Spain.