But we, who have all our learning from Greece, read and learn these works of theirs from our childhood; and look on this as a liberal and learned education.
XII.

But why are we angry with the poets?
We may find some philosophers, those masters of virtue, who have taught that pain was the greatest of evils.

But you, young man, when you said but just now that it appeared so to you, upon being asked by me what appeared greater than infamy, gave up that opinion at a word.

Suppose I ask Epicurus the same question.

He will answer that a trifling degree of pain is a greater evil than the greatest infamy; for that there is no evil in infamy itself, unless attended with pain.