When Phil's daddy an' me was youngsters we used to ride from Camp Verde and Flagstaff clean to Date Creek without ever openin' a gate.

But I can't see that men change much, though.

They're good and bad, just like they've always been--an' I reckon always will be.

There's been leaders and weaklin's and just betwixt and betweens in every herd of cattle or band of horses that ever I owned.

You take Phil, now.