I clearly remember telling him to have one arm above and one below the preserver.

I am positive about this, for after we received word of the loss of Brown we talked it over and I recalled the conversation.

He impressed me as thinking we exaggerated the dangers of the river.

He made a memorandum of things I said.

I think he also talked with Hillers, and I have no doubt the latter told him to take life-preservers.